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Scientist, charlatan, sage: Who is right?

Posted on Dec 20th, 2008 by  Meenakshi : Wholeness Meenakshi
Is it important how the fact was found?
Or that you found it

Does it matter that an insight is in a book
Or that it lights up your mind

Is it the author whose reputation makes an idea true
or the reader whose being knows that it is so?
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If we take to be true something that someone else has found, we are taking it on faith.
It doesn't matter if that person is a scientist, a  charlatan or a sage
What matters is what you perceive, what you understand, what you know, what you accept, or don't
What you think
That is what will drive your life

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Have you personally done that experiment that is meant to be replicated?
Many scientific experiments are taken on faith, and not really replicated even by other scientists
Some scientific findings are overturned over time--and perhaps reinstated, other facts are then found
The greatest gift of science is not the body of knowledge that keeps changing and is therefore not the whole truth and therefore not the truth.
The greatest gift of science, is scientific inquiry.

Delighting in discovering the unknown
Observing without bias.
Verifying and re-testing what you find till you are sure
Persevering till that light is discovered at the end of the tunnel
Working together with others and one's own highest intelligence
Then finding an insight in a dream
Or a eureka  moment in a bathtub

It is you who knows what is true
It is what you seek that drives  you
It is what you believe  that affects you
It is what you feel that sustains you
It is you who makes your life what it is.
And what it can be.

It is you.
You
One
Universe
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maze : ordinary
about 2 hours later
maze said

I like those eureka moments in the bathtub. Although there at times I wish I had a pen and a piece of paper nearby.

Alluvja :  Love In Action
about 2 hours later
Alluvja said

Thank You Meenaksi for this wonderful post.

Asserting the question

then free it to fly

at dawn you’ll be kissed awake

ange : dawn song
about 3 hours later
ange said

Having a mind that is open to everything, moving into an eternal discovery…

Thank you..

ingebrita : seeker
about 5 hours later
ingebrita said

It seems to me that some scientists can be just as dogmatic about their pet theories as some religionists are about their beliefs. In a way modern culture looks to them the way people used to look to priests to explain the world to them. The ones with the answers… Priests in lab coats…

I cannot help quoting all the time, but when I read your observations I thought of Einstein’s take on it:

The belief in an external world independent of the perceiving subject is the basis of all natural science. Since, however, sense perception only gives information of this external world or of “physical reality” indirectly, we can only grasp the latter by speculative means. It follows from this that our notions of physical reality can never be final. We must always be ready to change these notions - that is to say, the axiomatic basis of physics – in order to do justice to perceived facts in the most perfect way logically.

~ Albert Einstein

 Meenakshi : Wholeness
1 day later
Meenakshi said

Alluvja, you’re so poetic. I like that: “then free it to fly”
Ange, thank you for “eternal discovery”– of the infinite.
And maze, I’m chuckling at discovering our own resident Archimedes!

 Meenakshi : Wholeness
1 day later
Meenakshi said




Barbara,
you’ve said it! It’s not about WHAT we find/think but HOW we do so. The
strange dichotomy in our schools when we were kids, about “religion vs
science”, and even now, in people’s minds; makes me wonder why even
“scientists” have forgotten what it is about. And even “religious”
people have forgotten that it is about discovery, journeying, finding
the Truth.
Religions have esoteric knowledge and ceremonies that have come
out now, and are available to those who seek. I wonder if established
science is willing to do the same. Since it is taught in schools, the
need for it to do so, is paramount.

I was really happy to see at the Smithsonian Institute- Natural
History museum about 3-4 years back, a sign saying that all the
exhibits there were now outdated and indeed incorrect, as new
information had come to light. It was going to be redone. This was the
real discovery and the real wonder to me, of knowledge. That we can
know what we know AND what we don’t know for sure. And are willing to
keep changing what we know till it is all clear.

As they say –It’s about the journey.

Or the search.


ingebrita : seeker
1 day later
ingebrita said

Meenakshi, Have you read Molecules Of Emotion: The Science Behind Mind-Body Medicine by Candace B. Pert? It’s quite an eye-opener about the academic world of research scientists. “Our training predisposes us to avoid any kind of overt behavior that might encourage two-way communication with the masses. Instead we are content to pursue our truth in windowless laboratories, accountable only to members of our highly exclusive club.”

I’ll have to get myself over to the Smithsonian next time I visit my sister-in-law in Virginia. It sounds wonderful that they can acknowledge the true nature of the pursuit of knowledge.

1 day later
richDUCK said

continually flowing energy!

beautiful!!!!

thanx for this blog,Meenakshi!

 Meenakshi : Wholeness
2 days later
Meenakshi said

Barbara, Pert’s words seem right on, [no, I haven’t read the book]. I’d read once, when still in academia, that there is so  much within that club, that is taken on the strength of a scientist’s reputation; that no one else really tries to replicate. That’s the same as we may do with a book that is ancient, or a person who’s “a teacher”.
richDuck, your logo is flowing nicely too!

2 days later
richDUCK said

thanx, Meenakshi. My soul mate & self will have that inked on each of us this Saturday as Christmas gifts one to another.

Sagittaria : Soul Courter
2 days later
Sagittaria said

Perception: “Everything is relative.” You know, I want to read a biography of Einstein. “Everything is Relative.” I wonder what he thought of the philosophical implications of this statement. I want to read one of his biographies soon …
Meenakshi, in education, it does matter HOW you got the answer. In fact, a lot of the time the method and thinking process and method is MORE important than the answer. Take time to take note of this process: it will be important when you become the author, and try to figure out how to become a catalyst to others.
The thing to realize is that we are always learning, even after we have epiphanies. The trouble begins when someone thinks that THEY alone have THE answer: whether it is scientific or spiritual knowlegde. The mind closes. This is the challege of getting a bunch of Y.O.U.s to mesh.

ingebrita : seeker
3 days later
ingebrita said

Sagittaria, I’m a big Einstein fan. Perhaps these words of his reveal what he thought about how answers are found.

The intellect has little to do on the road to discovery. There comes a leap in consciousness, call it Intuition or what you will, the solution comes to you and you don’t know how or why. ~ Albert Einstein

Meenakshi, two more of my favorites on religion and science:

All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree… ~ Albert Einstein

In the temple of science are many mansions, and various indeed are they that dwell therein and the motives that have led them thither. ~ Albert Einstein

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